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062. Non-Heroic: A Conversation with Taylor A. White

We grew up wanting to be the hero. The person who slayed the evil beast or rescued the people trapped behind enemy lines. Because heroes are cool, and the idea of a hero is woven into the stories we grow up reading and watching; heroes are the vibrant strands that permeate our cultural tapestry. But what happens when everyone wants to be the hero? Who is left to be saved or call for help or even remain in a position of need? Maybe there is something to be said for heroism of the unheroic.

This week, Ryan and Garreth sit down to talk to prolific painter Taylor A. White about his rigorous studio practice, the humor we can spread across our art, and the joy of non-heroic things actually becoming heroic.

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For a limited time, our documentary The Builder is available to stream on Vimeo! The film centers on the art scene in Richmond, Virginia, with a focus on Oregon Hill native and contractor Don Childress, who–to the surprise of many–has an incredible contemporary art collection. This collection includes work from Francisco Clemente, Ron Johnson, and Bill Fisher to name just a few. Check out more at The Builder’s website.

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Four Horsemen & the Apocalypse!
After a pandemic hiatus, Shockoe Artspace finally has a new exhibition! We have four phenomenal artists who are making some amazing work that will be shown from October to February. For more information, be sure to check out the Shockoe Artspace website.

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